![]() ![]() Quote: "avacyn's ability is dependent on oko's effect, so oko's effect has to apply first. Now I'm getting another judge say the same thing as I did before. Thus they're applied Oko first and nothing after that since all the abilities got removed. The key here is that since BOTH effects are NOT Character-Defining Abilities and they modify the same thing they are dependent on each other. Avacyn's ability would be applied right after that but Oko removed them all so there is nothing to apply and nothing gets granted indestructibility. Ignore the above, I've now got two judges and r/mtgrules say the same thing: Avacyn's ability is dependent on Oko's ability which means Oko's ability is applied first. I find this hard to understand but sometimes things are complicated. I'm probably in the wrong here since Avacyn apparently uses layer 6 too, in which case her timestamp is applied first because she existed before Oko's ability. Layer 6 removes all abilities from Avacyn, including the one that says other permanents are indestructible. " 613.1f Layer 6: Ability-adding effects, keyword counters, ability-removing effects, and effects that say an object can’t have an ability are applied." You start with the printed text and then modify it. I looked at the layers and asked about this in a judges chat the layers are pretty clear on this. That can't be right, it must be a programming mistake. ![]()
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